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Re: That loss is on Kobe

by Gary Collard <dm@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 12, 2008 at 11:35 PM

brink wrote:
> 
> " bozak" <________bozak1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
> news:vnXVj.17894$Au2.10950@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>> <icemelter2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
>>
news:d3659a1d-bc39-4d4f-b001-acecfffe9fc4@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On May 11, 8:42?pm, darius <no...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>> Sure you win as a team and lose as a team, but when you're hurt and
your
>>> teammates are producing and you insist on taking the shots down the
>>> stretch instead of being the decoy and creating plays, the loss is on
>>> you. ?Why didn't Phil run a play for Gasol or Odom or kickout to Fish 
>>> for
>>> a 3. ?The guy only made 3 in a row. ?Somebody should've stopped Kobe.
?
>>> Somebody on the Lakers, that is.
>>>
>>> For all the talk, when the chips are down, Kobe still trusts noone but
>>> Kobe. ?He still doesn't get it. ?He'll never get it.
>>>
>>> Oh well, I guess you win and lose with the superstar you've got.
>>
>> Kobe is still the player I'd want the ball in the hands of in a close
>> game like the one today.
>>
**********************************************************************************

>>
>>
>> as you could see it didnt make sense for him to do so while he was
broke
>> up...
>>
>> nobody including kobe wouldve blamed phil for pulling him out in 
>> overtime...
>> he hurt the team continuing to play on at what i saw was a kobe at 
>> less than
>> 50%...
> 
> Hindsight...  he was good enough to bring them back from 12 down late 
> --  shooting poorly but dropping dimes all over the place and he did 
> have a huge 3-point play with 1:25 to go.  He scored or assisted on 15 
> points with less than 4 minutes remaining.  Without "broke up" Kobe, 
> they likely don't even take it to OT.
> 
> It's a classic dilemma of Kobe being too hurt to be effective in OT

I was with you until here.  Kobe was not too hurt to be effective in the 
4Q, as you have been noting in this thread, so he was not too hurt to be 
effective in OT.  He just changed his approach between the two.

I won't go so far as to suggest that he was trying to create his "Jordan 
flu" moment, as is the hot opinion in the s****ts talk/media world today, 
but he deserves every bit as much scorn for his OT as he does praise for 
his 4Q (okay, scorn for the 3 attempts there too but praise for his
overall 
play).

 > and
> the team likely too disrupted without him to be effective.  We know this

> now because it happened...  and obviously if PJ could go back in time, 
> he'd have subbed for Kobe knowing how it went down.

Even Phil isn't good enough to see Kobeball coming and sub in advance of 
it.  He's the best ever, but not an actual deity :)

-- 
Gary Collard
SABR-L Moderator
gmcollard@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"[O]ur long national nightmare is over.  It turns out getting rid
of the Clintons was the change we've been waiting for."
   -- Ann Coulter
 




 28 Posts in Topic:
That loss is on Kobe
darius <noone@[EMAIL P  2008-05-11 19:42:52 
Re: That loss is on Kobe
"zcarenow@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-11 21:30:46 
Re: That loss is on Kobe
"brink" <bri  2008-05-11 23:35:29 
Re: That loss is on Kobe
E-PIE-O@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-11 21:42:01 
Re: That loss is on Kobe
icemelter2@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-11 22:32:08 
Re: That loss is on Kobe
" bozak"   2008-05-12 13:12:59 
Re: That loss is on Kobe
"brink" <bri  2008-05-12 12:44:58 
Re: That loss is on Kobe
Gary Collard <dm@[EMAI  2008-05-12 23:35:49 
Re: That loss is on Kobe
darius <noone@[EMAIL P  2008-05-12 07:34:41 
Re: That loss is on Kobe
Miguel MB <PUN@[EMAIL   2008-05-12 12:57:46 
Re: That loss is on Kobe
"brink" <bri  2008-05-12 12:57:19 
Re: That loss is on Kobe
Gary Collard <dm@[EMAI  2008-05-12 23:28:19 
Re: That loss is on Kobe
Ken Cheng <kencheng@[E  2008-05-11 23:43:57 
Re: That loss is on Kobe
"$Bill" <new  2008-05-12 03:28:25 
Re: That loss is on Kobe
Gary Collard <dm@[EMAI  2008-05-12 23:29:53 
Re: That loss is on Kobe
Miguel MB <PUN@[EMAIL   2008-05-12 00:39:20 
Re: That loss is on Kobe
MoMo <maurice.watkins@  2008-05-12 06:52:25 
Re: That loss is on Kobe
Miguel MB <PUN@[EMAIL   2008-05-12 12:52:02 
Re: That loss is on Kobe
Rob Davis <davis.rob@[  2008-05-12 15:47:12 
Re: That loss is on Kobe
"brink" <bri  2008-05-12 13:02:45 
Re: That loss is on Kobe
Gary Collard <dm@[EMAI  2008-05-12 23:39:49 
Re: That loss is on Kobe
truegrit@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-12 11:05:30 
Re: That loss is on Kobe
Miguel MB <PUN@[EMAIL   2008-05-12 12:59:06 
Re: That loss is on Kobe
truegrit@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-12 13:50:53 
Re: That loss is on Kobe
Miguel MB <PUN@[EMAIL   2008-05-12 15:23:07 
Re: That loss is on Kobe
" bozak"   2008-05-12 23:48:55 
Re: That loss is on Kobe
truegrit@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-12 14:03:07 
Re: That loss is on Kobe
" bozak"   2008-05-12 23:45:48 

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