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SJMN (Kawakami blog): Ellis, Biedrins salary FAQ

by "Robin Miller" <Not_My@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 20, 2008 at 03:25 PM

[RM note: Tim sure does like to type...]


Ellis, Biedrins salary FAQ: Max Warriors offer for either would be 6
years, 
$98.5M (or slightly more)

By Tim Kawakami
Friday, April 18th, 2008

* IM****TANT NOTE: They won't get the max. Obviously. But the parameters
are 
always crucial to know, at least for me. These are the parameters.

If I had to guess, I'd say Monta Ellis' value is something like 6 years, 
$58M. Biedrins might be 6 years and $50M. Now we'll see.

This one had me scratching my head, I'll be honest. It took me hitting the

books, calling around, meditating at the foot of a David Stern ****trait,
and 
using every ounce of mathematical sense that had not dissipated from my 
brain years ago.

Question: What's the maximum the Warriors can offer their valuable young 
restricted free agents, Monta Ellis and Andris Biedrins?

After coming up with several wrong answers off the top of my head and 
several more wrong ones after some CBA research and then getting a voila 
moment that reminded me of a college statistics final I almost bombed-but 
saved at the end. here's my answer:

* The maximum the Warriors can offer Ellis and Biedrins is the same: 6 
years, $98.5M. (Based on a salary cap of $54M. It could go higher.)

* The maximum any team other than the Warriors can offer Ellis and
Biedrins: 
5 years, $75.2M.

Now I'm not saying either player will receive anything close to those 
figures, though Ellis might come close enough to $75M that nobody will be 
weeping in the Ellis household.

The point is, the Warriors have large built-in advantages with both
players. 
The NBA's CBA is built to encourage re-signing with a player's existing
team 
and the Warriors carry all of those advantages, plus the right to match
any 
offers, with Biedrins and Ellis.

Chris Mullin is playing it right, too, by declaring that he'll match any 
offer for either. That doesn't ruin his leverage-actually, it'll probably 
help leverage the Ellis and Biedrins deals down in value. (MORE ON THAT 
LATER.)

First, let's clarify some things and again, I pray I have it right but I'm

pretty sure I do:

-Along with everybody else, I'd assumed that longest deal from the
Warriors 
that Ellis and Biedrins could receive would be for  5 years. That's wrong.

They can both get 6 years from the Warriors and I'd bet they both get 6 
years. Book it.

Last year, along with the rest of his 2004 1st-round draft class, Biedrins

only could've received a 5-year deal (because he still had this year's 
contract in place and you can only be under contract for a total of 6
years 
at any time).

That's how it gets confusing. Dwight Howard got 5 years, $84M. Kevin
Martin 
got 5 years, $55M. Why not 6 years? It's because they signed last summer, 
not this summer.

This summer, neither Biedrins nor Ellis (who was a 2nd-rounder in 2005, so

he 3 years on his rookie deal) are under contract, so they can sign for 6 
years from the Warriors.

Also, the Warriors get the added edge of being able to offer both players 
10.5% raises each year-other teams can only offer 8% raises. That really, 
really adds up. (Just check the difference in the Warriors/opponents max 
offers listed above.)

-Since they both have "Bird rights," the Warriors can re-sign either
player 
above and beyond salary-cap restrictions, up to the maximum salary for
their 
time of service.

The CBA says either $9M or 25% of the cap, whichever's larger. 25% of $54M

is larger, so.

Biedrins and Ellis can both receive a 2008-2009 salary of $13M (exact
figure 
pending NBA cap adjustments).

Again, neither will start that high (Dwight Howard and Al Jefferson did
last 
summer, and their extensions kick in this July 1), but that's just to give

you an idea of how high it could go.

-The Warriors could shut down all discussions for either player by
offering 
what is termed, nicely, a "maximum qualifying offer," and, as I've 
explained, that would be 6 years, $98.5M for both. Any MQO for a
restricted 
F/A gives the home team major rights, but again, very MQOs are unlikely in

these two cases.

But let's put it this way: If Mullin makes an offer anywhere near those 
numbers to either player, this game is over. There will be no other offers

from other teams.

-If Ellis and Biedrins find a team far enough under the cap to offer them 
something more or better than the Warriors do, the Warriors would have
seven 
days to match the offer or let the player go.

-Repeat: Mullin's stance that he will under every circumstance keep Ellis 
and Biedrins is a smart tactical move.

It doesn't mean it's an absolute blood-on-contract guarantee.

For instance, Memphis and Philly right now are the only two teams with 
enough cap space to make a bold free agent play. If one of those teams 
offers Biedrins or Ellis 5 years, $65M, I'd say there's a 50-50 shot that 
Mullin does not match.

But 2 things for Memphis or Philly in such a scenario:

1) Why would you be willing to give up all of your hard-earned cap room
for 
either player? You'd have to think on that one.

2) Even if you're willing to go that high, why would you freeze yourself 
during the July player movement hurly-burly, sit and wait a week for
Mullin's 
decision (with the offer sheet terms sitting on your cap), when he's 
semi-likely to match anything you toss out there, anyway?

It's basically the same stance Mullin took with Mickael Pietrus during his

restricted F/A summer last year-I'll match anything and I won't do a 
sign-and-trade (for teams over the cap) unless I'm totally happy with the 
package I get back.

End result: No deal, Pietrus returns for his qualifying offer.

That won't happen with Ellis and Biedrins, because Mullin obviously wants 
both very badly to stay Warriors. They'll get plenty from the Warriors, 
whether or not they have an offer sheet waiting or teams hoping for a 
sign-and-trade.

-Other notes: Outside offers have to be for at least two years or more. 
Basically, you can't draw the Warriors into matching a one-year deal which

would make Ellis and Biedrins unrestricted F/As next summer.

-If the Warriors chose to just retain their rights with a regular
qualifying 
offer (125% raise for Ellis, $3.6M for Biedrins), either player could take

that and play out next season to become unrestricted next summer.

That's very unlikely. They both want to stay in Oakland. They both could
get 
large money for the long-term. Why risk a short-term deal when you already

have what you like?
 




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SJMN (Kawakami blog): Ellis, Biedrins salary FAQ
"Robin Miller"   2008-04-20 15:25:41 

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