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> "Frank Rizzo" <champ91917@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Apr 21, 4:39 pm, "Don't Taze Me, Bro!"
>> <No2Exis...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>> It appears that everywhere the man goes, he suddenly
>>> turns the team around,
>>> and then they either get to their peak in the playoffs
>>> and never to the main
>>> event, they stay the same, or they falter.
> snip...
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> Pat was the benefit of Magic and Kareem in LA, Ewing in
>> NY, and Shaq and Wade in Miami, so don't anoint him yet.
>> Nellie is the best at turning a losing team into a 50 win
>> team and upsetting a team in the first round. Pat is the
>> best at taking that team to the title, but he doesn't do
>> anything with inferior talent the way Nellie does.
>> Different coaches are good at different things.
>>
>> Can you say Larry Brown went from being the best coach (as
>> he was pronounced by many in Det) to the worst in two
>> years?
>>
> Larry Brown has won and won titles or at least played for
> one almost everywhere he has been, Nelson has not come
> close to winning a title. They are similar in the fact that
> they try to much to be the face on the team. Thus they tend
> to fued with stronger willed guys. That being said, Id take
> a Larry Brown turd on my bench before Id take Don Nelson.
> KjH
>
>
>
Comparing Larry Brown to Don Nelson......
Larry Brown:
Brown's first head coaching job was at Davidson College in
North Carolina. Unfortunately for Wildcat fans, it would only
last during the summer offseason and he never coached a game.
That one month experience would be a harbinger to Brown's
nomadic coaching career.
Brown moved on to the ABA and coached with the Carolina
Cougars and then the Denver Rockets, who later became the
NBA's Denver Nuggets in 1976, for three and a half seasons
from 1975 to 1979. He then moved on to coach for UCLA (1979-
80, 1980-81), leading his freshman-dominated 1979-80 team to
the NCAA title game before falling to Louisville, 59-54.
After two years with the NBA's New Jersey Nets, Brown began
his tenure at the University of Kansas (1983-1988). There he
was named "Coach of the Year" for the NCAA in 1988 and "Coach
of the Year" for the Big Eight Conference in 1986. Kansas
finished first in the Big Eight in 1986, and second in 1984,
1985, and 1987. In 1988, Kansas got off to a mediocre 12-8
start, including 1-4 in the Big 8, and the end of the
Jayhawks' 55-game homecourt winning streak in Allen
Fieldhouse. Ultimately, behind the high-scoring of Danny
Manning, KU finished 27-11 and won the the national
champion****p in 1988, defeating favored conference rival
Oklahoma 83-79 in the final. Upon leaving Kansas, Brown had
five NCAA Tournament appearances, three Sweet 16 appearances,
and two trips to the Final Four. As a collegiate coach, he had
a ***ulative coaching record of 177-61 (.744) in seven
seasons, including a 135-44 (.754) record at Kansas. However,
he left under a cloud, as NCAA sanctions were levied against
Kansas in the 1988-1989 season as a result of recruiting
violations that took place during Brown's tenure.
Brown moved back to the NBA after his time in Kansas, taking
the head coaching job with the San Antonio Spurs, and has
since led the Los Angeles Clippers, Indiana Pacers,
Philadelphia 76ers, Detroit Pistons and New York Knicks. The
coach won his first NBA Champion****p during his first year
with the Detroit Pistons in 2004, defeating the Los Angeles
Lakers four games to one in the NBA Finals. By doing so, Brown
became the first man to coach teams to both NCAA and NBA
titles.
Brown was also chosen as the head coach for the USA men's
basketball team at the 2004 Summer Olympics which earned a
bronze medal, a major disappointment. Brown was heavily
criticized for publicly berating the players, for repeatedly
criticizing the roster chosen by the player selection
committee, and for insisting on a style of play which
minimized the United States' advantage in athleticism.
Though he has received criticism for never staying in any one
place for very long, Brown is hailed as one of basketball's
greatest teachers, and is unparalleled as a rebuilder of
teams. The Nets and the Clippers are not only the "second
teams" in their metropolitan areas, but have long been
regarded as laughingstock franchises. Prior to the 2001
arrival of Jason Kidd, the Nets had made the playoffs in only
10 of their first 25 seasons in the NBA. Two of those 10 times
were in 1982 and 1983, under Brown. The Clippers, in San Diego
and Los Angeles combined, made the playoffs in only three of
their first 27 seasons. The first two of those times were in
1992 and 1993, under Brown. Those were also the second and
third of the three times the franchise had finished .500 or
better since moving in 1978, after being the Buffalo Braves,
until fini****ng over .500 and making the playoffs in 2006. In
2005, Allen Iverson said that Larry Brown was without a doubt
"the best coach in the world."
Despite Brown's prowess in coaching and handling different
egos and personalities, Brown has often been questioned for
not playing rookies, and for searching publicly for other jobs
while still employed. This happened most recently in May 2005,
when rumors surfaced that Brown would become the Cleveland
Cavaliers' team president as soon as the Detroit Pistons
finished their postseason. The rumor, which was not dispelled
by Brown, became a major distraction as the Pistons lost to
the San Antonio Spurs in seven games in the 2005 NBA Finals.
On July 19, 2005, the Pistons, displeased with Brown's public
flirtations with other teams, bought out the remaining years
of Brown's contract, allowing him to sign with another team.
[1] [2] A week later, on July 28, Brown became the head coach
of the New York Knicks [3], with a 5-year contract re****tedly
worth between $50 million and $60 million, making him the
highest-paid coach in NBA history.
On January 13, 2006, The New York Knicks beat the Atlanta
Hawks to give Brown his 1,000th win in the NBA, becoming only
the 4th coach to do so joining the ranks of Lenny Wilkens, Don
Nelson and Pat Riley. Coincidentally, all four of these
coaches have served as head coach for the Knicks at one point
in their career.
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Don Nelson:
Brown's first head coaching job was at Davidson College in
North Carolina. Unfortunately for Wildcat fans, it would only
last during the summer offseason and he never coached a game.
That one month experience would be a harbinger to Brown's
nomadic coaching career.
Brown moved on to the ABA and coached with the Carolina
Cougars and then the Denver Rockets, who later became the
NBA's Denver Nuggets in 1976, for three and a half seasons
from 1975 to 1979. He then moved on to coach for UCLA (1979-
80, 1980-81), leading his freshman-dominated 1979-80 team to
the NCAA title game before falling to Louisville, 59-54.
After two years with the NBA's New Jersey Nets, Brown began
his tenure at the University of Kansas (1983-1988). There he
was named "Coach of the Year" for the NCAA in 1988 and "Coach
of the Year" for the Big Eight Conference in 1986. Kansas
finished first in the Big Eight in 1986, and second in 1984,
1985, and 1987. In 1988, Kansas got off to a mediocre 12-8
start, including 1-4 in the Big 8, and the end of the
Jayhawks' 55-game homecourt winning streak in Allen
Fieldhouse. Ultimately, behind the high-scoring of Danny
Manning, KU finished 27-11 and won the the national
champion****p in 1988, defeating favored conference rival
Oklahoma 83-79 in the final. Upon leaving Kansas, Brown had
five NCAA Tournament appearances, three Sweet 16 appearances,
and two trips to the Final Four. As a collegiate coach, he had
a ***ulative coaching record of 177-61 (.744) in seven
seasons, including a 135-44 (.754) record at Kansas. However,
he left under a cloud, as NCAA sanctions were levied against
Kansas in the 1988-1989 season as a result of recruiting
violations that took place during Brown's tenure.
Brown moved back to the NBA after his time in Kansas, taking
the head coaching job with the San Antonio Spurs, and has
since led the Los Angeles Clippers, Indiana Pacers,
Philadelphia 76ers, Detroit Pistons and New York Knicks. The
coach won his first NBA Champion****p during his first year
with the Detroit Pistons in 2004, defeating the Los Angeles
Lakers four games to one in the NBA Finals. By doing so, Brown
became the first man to coach teams to both NCAA and NBA
titles.
Brown was also chosen as the head coach for the USA men's
basketball team at the 2004 Summer Olympics which earned a
bronze medal, a major disappointment. Brown was heavily
criticized for publicly berating the players, for repeatedly
criticizing the roster chosen by the player selection
committee, and for insisting on a style of play which
minimized the United States' advantage in athleticism.
Though he has received criticism for never staying in any one
place for very long, Brown is hailed as one of basketball's
greatest teachers, and is unparalleled as a rebuilder of
teams. The Nets and the Clippers are not only the "second
teams" in their metropolitan areas, but have long been
regarded as laughingstock franchises. Prior to the 2001
arrival of Jason Kidd, the Nets had made the playoffs in only
10 of their first 25 seasons in the NBA. Two of those 10 times
were in 1982 and 1983, under Brown. The Clippers, in San Diego
and Los Angeles combined, made the playoffs in only three of
their first 27 seasons. The first two of those times were in
1992 and 1993, under Brown. Those were also the second and
third of the three times the franchise had finished .500 or
better since moving in 1978, after being the Buffalo Braves,
until fini****ng over .500 and making the playoffs in 2006. In
2005, Allen Iverson said that Larry Brown was without a doubt
"the best coach in the world."
Despite Brown's prowess in coaching and handling different
egos and personalities, Brown has often been questioned for
not playing rookies, and for searching publicly for other jobs
while still employed. This happened most recently in May 2005,
when rumors surfaced that Brown would become the Cleveland
Cavaliers' team president as soon as the Detroit Pistons
finished their postseason. The rumor, which was not dispelled
by Brown, became a major distraction as the Pistons lost to
the San Antonio Spurs in seven games in the 2005 NBA Finals.
On July 19, 2005, the Pistons, displeased with Brown's public
flirtations with other teams, bought out the remaining years
of Brown's contract, allowing him to sign with another team.
[1] [2] A week later, on July 28, Brown became the head coach
of the New York Knicks [3], with a 5-year contract re****tedly
worth between $50 million and $60 million, making him the
highest-paid coach in NBA history.
On January 13, 2006, The New York Knicks beat the Atlanta
Hawks to give Brown his 1,000th win in the NBA, becoming only
the 4th coach to do so joining the ranks of Lenny Wilkens, Don
Nelson and Pat Riley. Coincidentally, all four of these
coaches have served as head coach for the Knicks at one point
in their career.
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